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#41 (permalink)      5/10/2022 11:55:33 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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I am a vape enthusiast, but embarrassed about it. Not around you guys, but in my regular life.

People come over and see my desk and it is just covered with vape stuff, and they are like ummm Jesus Christ dude I think you might have a problem, why do you need so many vapes. I am like OK just don't open any drawers please, then they are all like why? I say no nothing no reason, then some of them do and then it is like JESUS CHRIST!!! It feels like they just found out I am secretly something else, and none of the people I know get it. It feels like, how I would feel if I went to there house and found out they have some weird collection of hundreds of porcelain dolls. Then also you know it's Florida we all have outside fridges for drinks in our garages, so if someone is here, it's like oh drinks are in the garage help yourself whatever... They grab a drink and they see drawers full of vape juice and liquid nic, PG and VG in big bottles and flavorings and all this shit, then it's like maybe how I would feel if they were also making the creepy porcelain dolls too...

I mean whatever right, I have gotten everyone in my family off cigs, to me that is worth it. At the same time you wont catch me introducing myself like hi, I am a vape enthusiast, wanna talk about coils? I mean if someone is like that I am not the kind of person to crap on them for it. You know who gets it, gun enthusiasts.
#42 (permalink)      5/10/2022 3:12:46 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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I am "enthusiastic" about vape, knives, dogs, food and the list goes on. Being an "enthusiast" does not make me "expert". That term implies there is nothing left to learn.
I'm out.....have some fun. Eh?
#43 (permalink)      5/10/2022 3:39:24 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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In that case I am an expert at nothing. Really I thought I would type breathing, but then when I thought about it there are so many breathing exercises and deep water diving breathing techniques I quickly realized not even breathing.

This is what the internet says about expert, and just in one search, I am sure the internet will say anything if I ask it enough, and in enough ways. Basically I am not saying your definition is wrong, just that there are others.

What Being an expert means?
Adjective. proficient, adept, skilled, skillful, expert mean having great knowledge and experience in a trade or profession. proficient implies a thorough competence derived from training and practice.

What makes a person an expert?
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An expert, more generally, is a person with extensive knowledge or ability based on research, experience, or occupation and in a particular area of study. Experts are called in for advice on their respective subject, but they do not always agree on the particulars of a field of study.

What are the example for experts?
The definition of expert is someone who is very skillful or has advanced training and knowledge in a particular area or field. An example of someone who would be described as an expert is an Olympic athlete, who could be described as an expert in his or her sport.

I like these definitions more than your definition of nothing left to learn. It seems like these days there is always something left to learn.
#44 (permalink)      5/10/2022 9:45:43 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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I am an expert on experts, just ask me. LoLzzzz. No really, I think of experts in the way of the definitions you cite above. I have known experts in many fields. The majority were humble in their knowledge. The minority carried it like a badge, and I found that quite untrustworthy because they would never allow scrutiny or another opinion.
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#45 (permalink)      5/10/2022 11:23:45 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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That is one thing I feel like I have learned in this last year or so. It's that you really don't know, everything is not for certain. Always allow for uncertainty, or the option that you might not know for sure. It feels like there just is a small dot of black in every big blotch of white, in everything.

I don't know if it is just the times we are in with so much always changing, I did not used to feel as unsure of things I was certain of. I guess just always allowing for the idea that your wrong is a good bet.

Never allowing for the idea that your wrong, seems like a time bomb, because you are just going to be wrong some times, that you can be certain of. I try not to speak in absolutes terms now, it is a strange habit to break yourself of. I am great at forming habits, but not always so great at breaking them. It's a great thing to know about yourself, I keep trying to form good habits now. My current one is trying to waste less water, so now when I am letting the kitchen water heat up for something I put a gallon jug in there to catch the cold water I used to waste, then the jug gets poured into the potted plants. The first time I did it, I found it kind of annoying, but after three weeks it is getting hard not to do it. The potted plants are happy.

When we buy our forever home, or longer term than this place I think I want to workout a valve below sinks for that water so I can turn a lever and let it just run into a catch can.
#46 (permalink)      5/11/2022 5:58:01 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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EternalSpline wrote:

So C4W, what wattage do you run your diesel at? Just curious no wrong answer.


Dual coil, the coils I have left come out to .18, so I usually stay a bit under 4 volts, at around 80 watts or so...one particular juice I enjoy doesn't fare as well at that heat, so currently I'm vaping at 78 watts on that .18 - about 3.8 volts.

I remember you mentioning air flow seeming "loud" with this, and I find mine quite quiet. I usually use 3mm ID coils, 1.5mm away from the airflow "wall", with air adjustment at 2/3 open. It's a very subdued sound, not obnoxious or anything, with this particular set-up.

I really, truly believe it's the best top-air tank, flavor-wise, I own. Beats the juggernaut easily (not enough airflow/cooling), the Zeus (poor flavor reproduction with all but the simplest flavors) and it's closest rival would be the Zeus X, in my opinion - a decent top air tank in it's own right.

What does he mean when he says words?
#47 (permalink)      5/11/2022 8:22:04 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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"I remember you mentioning air flow seeming "loud" "

This is what I said

"It's not the best feeling airflow, it is a little louder than I figured it would be, it is by no means loud, just never going to be accused of being a silent tank, really or a loud tank honestly, it is kind of that middle to softer note."

It could really come down to the placement of my coils it seeming a little louder to me. I think it is due to my main setup being the A V3, which has a better airflow note for lack of a better way to say it, to me personally. I think they should have gone with lots of little holes for the top airflow ring. I think that is where the sound originates with the Diesel. With the cost difference it is a bit apples to oranges comparison, but I think it would have made it a bit better. Honestly I would love to see a version two Diesel RTA, I think the improvements would be easy to locate, and it is already pretty great.

Zeus X, I hated because of the distance from the coils to the wicks base area. It just did not function with how I like to vape. Maybe on one of my next times bringing something out of retirement I will mess with it again. It feels a little like cheating to me having the coils that high up, like the wasp nano with it's no driptip, straight pipe any RDA and your going to notice more flavor.

I know the Valkyrie is expensive, but I think you would enjoy it. Honestly though if I rated it with all the things I rated the Diesel on, you would probably think I don't like it. It is louder than the diesel, different note too, I mean depending on your airflow it is louder. With max airflow open it is louder, less airflow it is more silent. Also if you were to put it in terms of 4 to 1 is it worth it, (four diesels to one Valkyrie) then no I don't think it is worth that. The Diesel wins that. One to one money out of the equation, the Valkyrie I feel like is better, but I have not used the Diesel for that long, maybe in time it will change my mind.

I have been using the diesel all over in wattage but mainly much higher. 118 on a .29 coil 5.81 volts seems to be the sweet spot for me with 3MM coils Kanthal 26x2 with 36 over 7 wraps-ish depending on how you count your wraps. It all comes down to coils though, I feel like, with SS coils I would be at much lower wattage. I don't prefer the long drags, or a ramp up.

I am also curious to try the diesel with different flavors, currently the strawberry in the juice I am using is very pronounced. I am curious to see how it does with fruits vs bakery flavors, and what flavors come across more. This is why I feel like, top airflow or any RTA/RDA is nuanced. That first Zeus single coil, the flavors were muted in a different way than any other RTA, I used it to go through crap liquids because different flavors seem to come across and something I didn't like was more tamed down and in some cases more tolerable. I feel like a different flavor profile was coming through more, and the higher notes like sweet less. The Diesel so far I have only used with one flavor. I did pull it all apart though, get rid of the first wick job, and swap to the bubble glass. It is better with the bubble, but I over corrected a bit on the wicking it could use slightly less than what I currently have for this wattage. No dry hits, but if you take 5 in a row you notice on the last one a bit less flavor. I never chain vape like that, but it is what it is.
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Side note the blotto rta of the same color, both gunmetal is nearly perfect for it.
#49 (permalink)      5/12/2022 9:22:19 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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two Chinese made atties, one with a dramatically overblown price (to pay for the "US" company, Vaper's Clouds, bills), is not "apples to oranges", it's a direct, fair comparison, and you've simply been fooled by marketing. Both atties are Chinese, use Chinese sourced metals, and are turned on Chinese Lathes. One has a huge mark-up, to indicate "quality", that's all.

I own one authentic VC product, another top air tank, the TFMT (I believe that's the moniker). It didn't make the cut, but at the 20.00 I paid, it was worth it. There's NOTHING that makes a Valkyrie worth 70.00 - it's a 25.00 Chinese atty, sold to easily fooled vapers at 3 times the price.

Like what you like, but basing quality on price is a bit naive. You'll be disappointed if you expect 50.00 extra in quality when you buy one, so buyer beware!

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Reading back, i JUST learned that "Boost" is just something new, that vapers never needed until recently!

@Still.Me: I'[ll explain it as plainly as I can:

Your oldest mods have boost. It's what make them fire above a cell's 4.2 volt limitation. It's not new - what's new, or relatively new is companies being cheap with "regulated" mods and not including a boost chip - basically neutering any regulated mod into a MOSFET mod with SOME power regulation.

If your regulated mod (a mod with WATTAGE adjustment buttons, to keep it simple) can fire, and maintain any vape build over 4.2 volts, it has a "BOOST" circuit.
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"is not "apples to oranges", it's a direct, fair comparison"

OK you win the Valkyrie is just a better RTA all around, the Diesel actually has good craftsmanship though it's not to far off the quality of the Valkyrie. Quality in the craftsmanship is sadly just part of the whole thing though, the design is where the real difference is and the design of the Diesel is where it is not as good. None of my complaints have been about it's craftsmanship just on it's design flaws. It did have more craftsmanship issues, but then they went back and fixed some of them. Like I said hopefully a V2 will come out and fix the easily fixable issues with it.

TFMT was that 2016?

"Like what you like, but basing quality on price is a bit naive. You'll be disappointed if you expect 50.00 extra in quality when you buy one, so buyer beware!"

I unlike you bought both, and have both right now. I am not disappointed at all. Feel like you feel about it. I guess you think I was tricked, lol. Nah, I saw the price, and the RTA and thought that is worth it, I like that, then it got here and I have enjoyed using it. Maybe one day a clone will come out and you can try one and see some what, what the differences are in the two. It's not just 50.00 in metal. It's so weird how you accuse others of being "naive", but can't seem to see past just the metal. Design is the biggest pro/con of the whole thing. If it wasn't, wouldn't we still be using RTA's from 10 years ago happily?

I have owned enough clones to know that allot of the time, they are pieces of crap. I get it you like to feel like your clones and the authentic came out of the same shop. That you have some inside track on what is good, that is great. I can't say I know that is never the case... There are great clones, and allot of shit clones, allot of shit clones. Anyone with experience here knows that. Case in point the Reload S you were showing off in the vape porn thread, I am sure it was the clone, and I had the authentic and the clone, the clone was a piece of shit. It literally went into the trash. So these days 95% of the time, I just buy authentic. It worked to show off, but you and I both know it was ass in a box. The authentic however, was pretty good. Not as good as the Eclipse. Buy less, but more authentic and you will figure some of this stuff out and have allot more usable quality gear. The money you save not buying crap, and only getting quality gear is so much better in the long run.

What am I saying if it is good enough, and it makes you happy get every color of broken barely usable gear you want. I don't see the point in you being upset though about me not following in your footsteps and buying clones. I have already gone down that road, I have seen all there is to see. 5% of the time, I still take a look, most of the time I find crap.

Hopefully this doesn't come off in a way that starts an argument between us. It's been nice chatting with you. I was going to re-read it to make sure how I said it, was fine or whatever, but then I thought about how you felt like Skeeets, could take whatever you said how ever you felt like saying it. So I figured you were good to just take it however I wrote it and not get butt hurt.