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#1 (permalink)      4/24/2015 12:15:15 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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Knife types and German customs - For a noob
Hi folks!
While i have more then enough experience in buying vape gear here, i am deeply confused by the german laws. As far as i know, only those knives are legal, that cant be opened easily with one single hand. So nearly all appealing knives here are not available for me, if i dont want to waste my $ to customs.
What are youre experiences? What tips for customs?

Thanks!
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Completely forbidden:
- balisongs / butterfly knives
- OTF autos
- gravity knives (non-auto OTF without spring) (Fallmesser)
- autos with lock, and more than 8.5cm blade length
- combinations of knife & tooth fairy
- knives hidden in / disguised as other objects
- knives with double-edged blade
- push daggers (Faustmesser)
- ballistic knives (thx, @Nymbob)
- shuriken (thx, @furbob)

Allowed to carry for socially adequate uses:
- fixed blades
- autos with lock, and up to 8.5cm blade length
- folders with lock, AND one handed opening (Einhandmesser)

Allowed to carry for adults:
- fixed blades with up to 12cm blade length
- autos without lock
- folders with lock OR one handed opening


The carambit blade shape is legal, going by this official assessment:
Karambit-Messer - Feststellungsbescheid des BKA (pdf download)


Might have missed some, but who cares - there's a post editor for a reason. :D

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Forgive me this stupid* question, but when you say completely forbidden,
do you speak of their port on the public highway, or just about their import?

Yes, i'm a total noob loL :-) *
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"Completely forbidden" means it's already illegal to own them, which, of course, also makes it illegal to import them.

The second group is also very likely to cause problems, since the wording "socially adequate use" leaves a lot room for interpretation.
Basically, it's a severe flaw in the law, as it causes circular reasoning; it's up to the judges to define what's socially adequate, and the public reception of their definition will affect how they define it.
The few publically available court rulings were pretty strict, hence most people assume that locking folders with one handed opening are generally not okay for EDC.

Ironically, the only use that the BKA's official info page about ยง42a WaffG explicitely alleges as not being socially adequate, is self defense.
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@horst

Would you please add some examples for the allowed knifes in Germany?
I have no idea how to differentiate between the choices and have really no idea what to look out for.

When I would order a knife it would be based on looks and user feedback regarding quality, no knive expert or collector here :-)

And I would really like to keep my clean slate regarding customs...no wishes here to drive to customs for every mod/atty/toy I order ;-)
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Combination of knife and tooth fairy? Dafuq you vaping tonight Horst old son? Lol
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Irony: you can't buy gravity knives in Germany. That's like not being able to buy a Balisong in the Philippines*.

*Yeah, I know the history of the Balisong, but it's associated most commonly with the Philippines.
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Narrowminded bitches won't let me buy a FlaK either. :|
(Hey, at least it's not rocket science, muahahar...)

Nymzavril wrote:

Combination of knife and tooth fairy? Dafuq you vaping tonight Horst old son? Lol




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Ah, I've never heard a trench knife referred to as a tooth fairy, but it's certainly apt. Lol
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You missed ballistic knives.
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Nymzavril wrote:

You missed ballistic knives.



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