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#11 (permalink)      7/16/2020 8:12:32 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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martinc wrote:



“t’s pretty simple,” said one Twitter user. “There’s going to be Nancy Pelosi and Shahid Buttar on the ballot in CA-12, two Democratic candidates. So your choices are someone who’ll fight for $100 millionaires like herself or someone who’ll fight for you on issues like Medicare-for-all.”




And they'll all be bewildered as to how it was possible for Trump to be re-elected. lolol

They should grovel and beg Bernie's forgiveness.

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#12 (permalink)      7/16/2020 9:37:37 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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Yes I get it.....Religion and politics....One's as bad as the other...

'You can't talk religion and politics'. I never got that one.

They're only hard for those that lack critical thinking skills. Religion can be dumped instantly because it doesn't get much dumber than pretending you have inside knowledge about dead humans that had a hand in creating the universe. Politics is just straight morality. Simple too if your mind isn't full of primitive nonsense about menstruation or whatever. Piece of cake.


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If I'm ignoring you it's because you're fallacy impaired. Here's hoping you rectify your problem so that we might have a sensible conversation.
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I'm out.....have some fun. Eh?
#14 (permalink)      7/17/2020 12:24:45 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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A rant about the far left using and twisting the english language"
Lets say, an english professor defending the old Russian revolution totalitarianism:
Cant say:
"I believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by doing so. "
Instead, he will say:
"While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore,we must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods, and that the rigors which the Russian people have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement."

We are seeing (most dont even notice) that type of discourse in the main publication coast-to-coast here in Canadanistan; they lay blame on anything and everything and everyone they can to justify the righteousness of their ideology as well as the prompt replacement of everything to know/are used to...like its going to be fine and dandy, easy peasy liberals are asleazy.

Here is such a letter published in harpers mag a few days ago...on the surface it sounds attractive, upon study its exactly what Orwell (the example aforementioned) stated...damn this guy was an oracle or what

Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial. Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society, not least in higher education, journalism, philanthropy, and the arts. But this needed reckoning has also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity. As we applaud the first development, we also raise our voices against the second. The forces of illiberalism are gaining strength throughout the world and have a powerful ally in Donald Trump, who represents a real threat to democracy. But resistance must not be allowed to harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion—which right-wing demagogues are already exploiting. The democratic inclusion we want can be achieved only if we speak out against the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides.

to continue
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Part deux:

The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted. While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture: an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty. We uphold the value of robust and even caustic counter-speech from all quarters. But it is now all too common to hear calls for swift and severe retribution in response to perceived transgressions of speech and thought. More troubling still, institutional leaders, in a spirit of panicked damage control, are delivering hasty and disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organizations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes. Whatever the arguments around each particular incident, the result has been to steadily narrow the boundaries of what can be said without the threat of reprisal. We are already paying the price in greater risk aversion among writers, artists, and journalists who fear for their livelihoods if they depart from the consensus, or even lack sufficient zeal in agreement.

This stifling atmosphere will ultimately harm the most vital causes of our time. The restriction of debate, whether by a repressive government or an intolerant society, invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation. The way to defeat bad ideas is by exposure, argument, and persuasion, not by trying to silence or wish them away. We refuse any false choice between justice and freedom, which cannot exist without each other. As writers we need a culture that leaves us room for experimentation, risk taking, and even mistakes. We need to preserve the possibility of good-faith disagreement without dire professional consequences. If we won’t defend the very thing on which our work depends, we shouldn’t expect the public or the state to defend it for us.

Signed by a bunch people, some well known, some not...some have expressed regrets signing it since...they dont really understand, they just read it and go.
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#16 (permalink)      7/17/2020 12:28:01 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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TLDR
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#17 (permalink)      7/17/2020 12:31:14 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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martinc Does love a cut and paste..........
Insert smart and witty comment here.....
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That piece of garbage is coming from a "major" publication that is part of a wide network; medias that are ALL basically bankrupt because people woke-up to their fanatical PROPAGANDA (and boring content) have been bought by the liberal government (they are still fighting among themselves to get the lion`s share by pandering to a preset set of rules imposed by the same government by which they must abide as well and promulgate or no monies but those rules are so out of this world that its hard for them, hence the extremes to which they have to go, no matter the societal price to pay)!

By their own admittance they create a bunch of opeds when they want to target a certain very particular subject and bomb everybody on all levels possible about what they should think; its not news nowadays, its opinions, from the left. The right cant have opinions anymore these days. Whiteness and all...but people still think its news for some reasons.

I honestly have no idea how to shake it off...do we have to "bend the knee" and let them do whatever they want to do (they have it in their heads but on the ground execution of said plan, they have nothing...ideological stupidity)

We will see where this crap lead us....It being said that Canadanistan is THE world testbed for this BS.
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#19 (permalink)      7/17/2020 12:38:19 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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blackhack wrote:

martinc Does love a cut and paste..........



1st bit was George Orwell, 2nd bit was my own with some trascripts, sure...last bit is all me

Do we have to go full disclosure of sources every time we write stuff now or are you just thinking you are one funny individual?

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#20 (permalink)      7/17/2020 12:39:32 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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Just read the wall of text (100 times) it will ,maybe , finally sink-in the same way your pea brains have been brainwashed
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#21 (permalink)      7/17/2020 12:45:37 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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In this article, and thank you, it says, "...We are already paying the price....". Writers have been pay in the price from time immemorial. Readers are paying also and do so from beginning to learn to read. Censorship is in the text books and the consequences are propagandized conditioning. This is why people cling so tightly to their ideologies. They fear a broken world when confronted with information that goes contrary to what they have been conditioned to think.

There is profound censorship not only in the media but, in the field of historical academia. I find this far more disturbing. I expect the media to be censorious.
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