[Politics]Who's the worst American president of all time?
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#81 (permalink)      9/19/2021 8:38:22 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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If closeness to something is the most important metric then the history of America being "discovered" should be told from the perspective of native Americans, slavery from the perspective of slaves, industrialization from the perspective of industrial workers and so on and so forth (post WW2 US foreign policy from the perspective of Hondurans, Salvadorans, Chileans, Afghans, Iraqis... definitely not US citizens). Come to think of it, someone already wrote that book, it's called A People's History of the United States.

But I don't think he would like that book particularly much, his point seems to have been more, "I don't like when people question power from the left, please stop". Just drawn out over three long paragraphs with more exclamation marks than Nietzsche on speed.

Edited on 9/19/2021 at 8:43 AM. Reason:
"My brain is still in recovery mode from taking in so many high level, important ideas" - Dave Rubin
#82 (permalink)      9/19/2021 8:48:24 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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TheAtl wrote:

If the degree to which it affects someone is the most important metric then the history of America being "discovered" should be told from the perspective of native Americans, slavery from the perspective of slaves, industrialization from the perspective of industrial workers and so on and so forth (post WW2 US foreign policy from the perspective of Hondurans, Salvadorans, Chileans, Afghans, Iraqis... definitely not US citizens). Come to think of it, someone already wrote that book, it's called A People's History of the United States..But I don't think he would like that book particularly much, his point seems to have been more, "I don't like when people question power from the left, please stop". Just over three paragraphs with more exclamation marks than Nietzsche on speed.


You know, good catch....I didn't really notice that on initial read through, but after going back and reading it...

maybe so...I just finally answered the thread title, which was an initial "sticking point" for the user in his post. I took them as a Trump fan with hurt feelings, honestly.

What does he mean when he says words?
#83 (permalink)      9/19/2021 8:57:53 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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No, wrong again.
You are making incorrect assumptions as to what it was I agree with in your post.

I have gone a few very short rounds with AW but overall I don't have any issues with him. Compared to some of his comrades here he is a kinder person. I don't however agree with his idealized stance on the world.

But your earlier post was not at all as you describe, not similar to the one above.

To a great degree I believe you are correct in stating that it is much harder to see a country clearly unless you live there, especially more so for Europeans and to a great degree, even some Canadians that veer closer to the Euro idea of socialism, rather than ours.
There are a great many Canadians that do the same, speak negatively of the US and I don't agree with them either, other than the odd point here or there.

I am 90 min from your border and am far closer to some areas of the US than you are. We were all brought up here on American culture and have spent a great deal of time in the US so we have a boots on the ground understanding of it, so to speak.

Going back to AW, despite our not agreeing on much he is one of the few that I think had a far better understanding of Trump than most on the progressive left.
Where I do agree with you is your claim that such progressive views will never gain hold in the US. I have long said to Bernie Sanders supporters you are wasting your time. Had he been in Canada he would have faired far better.
Indeed, he just gave approval to Jagmeet Singh, the leader of the NDP party here. Thats the party that AW, TheAlt, etc would have voted for if Canadian, I suspect.

I have met and had a few conversations with Jagmeet Singh and he is a very lovely man. I met him in the field of law before he became a politician. IF he had been a Liberal or a conservative, I would have voted for him in a heartbeat but I will never ever vote NDP.

Now if I care to be a bit ornery, I shall suggest that you need to get out and travel a bit. First stop? Canada. Other than Quebec, we are much more Americanized than you seem to grasp.
Indeed, I would have to say that what drives Canadians crazy about the US is that we have been swallowed up by your country. Our news, our politics, our TV, our culture, etc, etc, etc is American so to suggest that a Canadian is unable to relate to the US and understand its politics is at best, terribly naive and to some degree, patronizing in its stupidity.

Where I do agree is with the notion that much of the world has an idea about America that is quite unrealistic and I have long been a fervent supporter of the US. But yes, I have forever been astounded here by not only the Europeans that have fed into such negativity, but even more so by the Americans here themselves that have done so.

But I understand peer pressure and believe a great many of them have fallen to such.

The time I feel they have all wasted, not only of their time but my own, reading such drivel has gone to waste for where I do agree with you, is as stated above...

Your idea of "tear it all down" shows typical "progressive" naivety, and really just illustrates that you have no vested interest in the USA. Logic before idealism.

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carrion4worm wrote:

Between Trump, or Biden, what answer would YOU have chosen?


Hawkins/Walker. Even in a swing state. I'd vote based on policies, and the small chance to make a third party viable for the future. If anyone can look at the last 2 years and conclude there's a vast difference between Trump and Biden's policies, they're simply not paying enough attention.

And if you disagree with that assessment, I'd truly be interested in you educating me on your 5 favorite policies Biden has enacted this year, that clearly separate his policies from Trump's.

A few hundred years ago, my country, The Netherlands, had a bunch of boats. We used those boats to invade half the planet, rob countries of their resources, enslave people, and a whole list of other nasty stuff. It's the reason New York used to be named New Amsterdam, and Brooklyn and Harlem are named after Dutch cities.

If in those days some nobody on the internet would complain about my country's atrocities I don't know if I could have brought myself to respond with "well, dude, you need to live here to understand".



At this moment in time, there's probably a better case to be made for US citizens' need to travel a bit more to understand the damage your corporate-owned politicians are unleashing onto our planet. I'm old enough to remember the world installing an international court of justice, in The Hague, in my country. W. Bush responded to this by threatening to invade the Netherlands if there ever was a US soldier brought to justice in that court.

The US military is the institution that's, by far, the largest contributor to climate change. The US population is per capita, by far, the largest contributor to climate change.

And again, I've lived in the US. Met amazing people, made friends for life that I still regularly visit, it's a wonderful country, with amazing people. Thoroughly enjoyed my time there. I don't blame individual Americans. I blame a propaganda machine that's keeping most of you deeply misinformed.

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Still.Me wrote:


the world has an idea about America that is quite unrealistic and I have long been a fervent supporter of the US.



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Still.Me wrote:



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Indeed, I would have to say that what drives Canadians crazy about the US is that we have been swallowed up by your country. Our news, our politics, our TV, our culture, etc, etc, etc is American so to suggest that a Canadian is unable to relate to the US and understand its politics is at best, terribly naive and to some degree, patronizing in its stupidity.



Yeah, only a Canadian could ever understand American cultural hegemony. FFS, the only place you'll find any residue of genuine Norwegian culture is in a dusty museum somewhere only visited by tourists.


Edited on 9/19/2021 at 9:55 PM. Reason:
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#87 (permalink)      9/20/2021 4:52:37 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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No, you are only able to grasp extreme stereotypes.


Despite having one Norwegian grandparent, I wouldn't begin to suggest I am familiar with the Norwegian way of life, mindset, culture, etc.

Go live life and come back and tell me about it then.
#88 (permalink)      9/20/2021 6:23:01 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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The internet has made everyone that can read an expert. Instead of saying "I'm wrong", or "i don't know", they go do a 5 minute google search, obtain the necessary "ammo", and come back, newly armed with "knowledge". Not the same as "living". If that was the case, why travel, as suggested? Why visit Disney World?
You can easily just read about everything , but that's hardly "experience".
If it works like that, I'd have more young guys read up on welding, as good employees are hard to find!




If anyone uses that statement for reflection, so be it.
What does he mean when he says words?
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The internet has made everyone that can read an expert. Instead of saying "I'm wrong", or "i don't know", they go do a 5 minute google search, obtain the necessary "ammo", and come back, newly armed with "knowledge". Not the same as "living". If that was the case, why travel, as suggested? Why visit Disney World?
You can easily just read about everything , but that's hardly "experience".
If it works like that, I'd have more young guys read up on welding, as good employees are hard to find!




If anyone uses that statement for reflection, so be it.
What does he mean when he says words?
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double idiot ^^

live with or without IE is equal to live with or without pictures of your travel ....

experience earned by reading books is not XP , cool ... but surely not true ....


in fine veritas .

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TCM56 wrote:

I don't know what to call this thread, but something ridiculous. The Topic is "Who's the worst American president of all time?"! A topic on a Site in China and aimed for a reply by foreigners that have no plight or need to say a thing on American Politics. Not to mention, with only propaganda information fed to them over the years. But then it gets even more silly because to date, there have been 46 presidents of the United States, and yet! most people have disregarded all but three. Deciding to focus on those of the last 3 presidencies that have had more misinformation pushed on and about each of them from all kinds of sources. Buying into the hype that simply fits your own personal agenda of political desires. Again! most typing here have nothing to gain other than America's help once it's needed. Something that has happened many times over the past 100 years. No doubt America has its own problems, but show me one government that doesn't! show me one that hasn't had its own negative leaders. Oh, Wait! if I did it, then I too would have to read and believe some lying journalism from somewhere that only wants me to see what they want.

This whole thread is, in a word used here for nothing short of the "buffoons" of Fasttech. Not all fit into this title ( but those that know who I'm talking about know it's them) but the majority in this thread do. Why! None of you have learned that there are three things you should never talk about. One being money! two being anything to do with politics in any way and religion. And certainly, Politics sure shouldn't be brought up in a site to wit, its working force has a communistic government that they must follow and do and the majority of its clients that don't have any real knowledge of a country they've only visited or read about.

You can bet I won't return to this thread. If you need something to talk about! Talk about items on Fasttech and how they could be improved to be better for EVERYONE that wants to buy things from here. Talk about and give Fasttech ideas on how to improve things like shipping if you happen to know anything about the processes. But American politics! No one here is qualified to even begin to handle such a topic.



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