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#21 (permalink)      2/7/2022 1:57:36 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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Well, it sounds like you've got your hands full vape8ion .



That, my friend, is an understatement. The excerpts you post seem to be from a "pet" perspective. If you research from an LGD perspective, you will find the true nature of these canines. Pet training is for dogs you intend as pets. These dogs have a job, and it is in their 2,000 year old heritage to do it. They do that job without conventional "training". One simply places the pup in an environment with other animals, goats, sheep or whatever, and possibly an adult dog, and they naturally take to the task. My dogs never leave, are not exposed to the "outside world" and a 6-foot fence is only a minor deterrent if they want to run. My place is isolated, and I have only large ranches as neighbors, so the breed is a near perfect fit.

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So, is that the same as Maremma-Pryenees Mix and are you breeding the mix?



In a word, yes. In these days, unless you are on totally open range, it is my opinion that the working Pyr's traits needs tempering because of societal constraints. My two original Pyr girls may/have ranged up to 12 miles. Breeding with the Maremma cut that distance to less than a mile for the offspring. The two girls are never off lead unsupervised.

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A much better topic. Always enjoy hearing about your dogs. Perhaps you should expand on this subject more often than you do.
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These days I usually expand on a subject I am interested in and try to keep the rest to myself. It seems the dog thread has become political, so I only read there.
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"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
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vape8ion wrote:

These days I usually expand on a subject I am interested in and try to keep the rest to myself. It seems the dog thread has become political, so I only read there.




So shall I take that to mean that if/when TheAlt comes back and starts up with another one of his dozen marxist threads you will not partake due to its being too political? 🤣 😂 😁



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"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
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vape8ion wrote:

That, my friend, is an understatement. The excerpts you post seem to be from a "pet" perspective. If you research from an LGD perspective, you will find the true nature of these canines. Pet training is for dogs you intend as pets. These dogs have a job, and it is in their 2,000 year old heritage to do it. They do that job without conventional "training". One simply places the pup in an environment with other animals, goats, sheep or whatever, and possibly an adult dog, and they naturally take to the task. My dogs never leave, are not exposed to the "outside world" and a 6-foot fence is only a minor deterrent if they want to run. My place is isolated, and I have only large ranches as neighbors, so the breed is a near perfect fit.



A livestock guardian dog (LGD) is a dog type bred for the purpose of protecting livestock from predators.



I had to look that up. You know, I was thinking so (along those lines) that yours was different, and probably open range for being goat guardians.

I kind of realized that the website info I was seeing/pasting was for people who were considering them for pets, what their needs would be and not for people with actual livestock for them to guard.

It's interesting though. I liked hearing about their traits/personalities, being possessive of their owners if not able to do their livestock guarding, and possessive of their toys and beds, etc.


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vape8ion wrote:

Well, it sounds like you've got your hands full vape8ion .

That, my friend, is an understatement. The excerpts you post seem to be from a "pet" perspective. If you research from an LGD perspective, you will find the true nature of these canines. Pet training is for dogs you intend as pets. These dogs have a job, and it is in their 2,000 year old heritage to do it. They do that job without conventional "training". One simply places the pup in an environment with other animals, goats, sheep or whatever, and possibly an adult dog, and they naturally take to the task. My dogs never leave, are not exposed to the "outside world" and a 6-foot fence is only a minor deterrent if they want to run. My place is isolated, and I have only large ranches as neighbors, so the breed is a near perfect fit.


You acted first by asking if it was an insult.

Why go to the temple before understanding why you felt that way.

No common ground yet.

Why did you feel that way? What is your politically correct term for goat farmer?

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etcetera wrote:

I kind of realized that the website info I was seeing/pasting was for people who were considering them for pets, what their needs would be and not for people with actual livestock for them to guard.

It's interesting though. I liked hearing about their traits/personalities, being possessive of their owners if not able to do their livestock guarding, and possessive of their toys and beds, etc.




My boy is also a LGD and I I have found those traits in his case at least to be accurate.

Not having sheep or goats to guard he has made me his livestock to guard which at times can be a bit annoying, having a shadow 24/7.

Definitely same sex aggressive but it depends on the nature of the other male dog. If that male dog tries to dominate him, mine will growl to scare him off but if that male dog doesn't submit mine will pin him down to show dominance.
If the other male dog treats him as an equal and just wants to be buddies, they will play and get along.
If that other male is too submissive, I keep their interactions extremely short.

Mine is possessive of his treats. I don't dare give a dog that is not a part of his pack a treat, unless I give one to Oskar first. He will guard more if the treat is given to a male but will allow females more leeway.
He also resource guards me.
If another dog comes up and unexpectedly jumps up on me if it is a male...well lets just say I don't allow any to do so.
If a female dog friend does so he will just playfully push her out of the way but the wrong male would be pinned down and made to submit.

Vape8 has a large pack that know one another and where they stand amongst themselves but in a large city encountering 100 + dogs a day, its a bit tricker.