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#41 (permalink)      2/10/2022 10:54:13 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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Fine - give a 21700 SMPL mod a chance, but if you don't understand how to maintain it what is the point in you owning one?

Buying 5 mods at $20 each, neglecting them so they only have a service life of months for each mod makes little sense - it would be better to buy a single mod for $50 that you understand how to strip and service than piss away $20 every few months for replacements.

But rather than arguing - here's a simple question -

Have you actually removed the circlips from your current SMPL mods to clean away the internal arcing?

You have never bothered to answer this I genuinely don't know if you are aware of how important a part of maintenance this is to keep the mod functioning properly, or if you just buy cheap and replace it when performance starts to drop.

I'm not trolling or deliberately trying to annoy you - but a simple reply would be appreciated.
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philipvdb wrote:

Troep, what is your fixation with that smpl? There are none and they wont make one because you ask for it. Do you think Geek is calling all of his suppliers to beg them to make one? Put the idea aside, forget about it and buy a good authentic mod which will last for ages.




I did try to explain that to him much earlier in this thread, so did Carrion and now you attempt it. With luck he'll accept it from you - abut I suspect he won't. Good luck.

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philip, I am a mechanical engineer,
and to adjust a CNC machine, I would think, this is less than 1 hour.
Perhaps we have some CNC specialists in this forum,
they should know it better.
Why SMPL: a very fast and easy change in the production line,
cheap, and we use an old construction, which seems to be very reliable.
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I'm not a mechanical engineer (at all!), only once in my life I could have a closer look at a CNC machine and make a little job on it. Still can know that to adjust it probably takes...not that much time. Well, you have to re-think the switch's dimensions a tiny bit too for a 21700 tube.

But I guess the best way for you Troepfler, if you contact a small Chinese Manufacturer, let them know what exactly you want and place a (min.) order for your SMPLs. That's rather how it might go. But you'd be supposed to know it too, being a mechanical engineer...
You could even start collecting money for it by announcing a pre-order here (or elsewhere) !! lol!

Otherwise I wish you a good continuation with your dreams and rants.

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Troepfler wrote:

I am a mechanical engineer.....


Hum, did you just open a can of worms?

We can't agree on everything.
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Troepfler wrote:

philip, I am a mechanical engineer,
and to adjust a CNC machine, I would think, this is less than 1 hour.
Perhaps we have some CNC specialists in this forum,
they should know it better.
Why SMPL: a very fast and easy change in the production line,
cheap, and we use an old construction, which seems to be very reliable.



As you are a mechanical engineer you will understand the costs involved in delaying any current production, setting up and procurement of materials to create a new product.

So far a handful of people have indicated they would buy - you yourself stated you would buy 5. Just how many units do you imagine FT would be willing to commit themselves to buying based on vague promises from a few forum members if they can find a manufacturer to make a small batch order and negotiate a price?

Low volume manufacturing is expensive, just how much would you be willing to pay to acquire a 21700 SMPL - if you are thinking it will only be a few dollars more than the current 18650 SMPL I think you are in for an unpleasant surprise

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Or...from here and the other site, I had a Vazzling Pur Slim Piece, some Bestia's and two Quake tubes (all are side fire mods), each of them are great. At their times they were as cheap as the SMPLs, they still are below 20$.
In the 18650 category though.
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cilika wrote:

Or...from here and the other site, I had a Vazzling Pur Slim Piece, some Bestia's and two Quake tubes (all are side fire mods), each of them are great. At their times they were as cheap as the SMPLs, they still are below 20$.
In the 18650 category though.



Same here -

21700 Brass Bestia ($15)
21700 Brass Vindicator V1 ($20)
21700 SS Vindicator - later Constant Contact V2/3? ($20)
21700 Brass Vassling Overlord ($20)

and brass clones in the $30 ballpark )

Purge Truck (20700 but will house a Samsung 30T 21700)
Purge Viper 21700
Purge B2B 21700
Purge B2B 21700 Knurled
Purge B2B 21700 scroll engraved
Rockvape Titan 21700
Comp Lyfe HK LA Edition 21700

and for about $35

Purge Slam Piece 21700

admittedly I don't mind weight in a mech but they are for home use only, but the 21700 Bestia is light, reliable and cheap with none of the voltage drop problems of the SMPL switch. I don't really see any point in a 21700 SMPL as there are so many good 21700 clones currently available

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philipvdb wrote:

Troepfler wrote:
I am a mechanical engineer.....
Hum, did you just open a can of worms?


Yes you are right, that was not a good idea,
but we see, the sleepy FT forum members can move,
very good actions in this tread, not bad,

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Ah good, I almost said that in that case I was an acrobat-dancer... lol
#51 (permalink)      2/10/2022 3:27:28 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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Crispycritters wrote:


21700 Brass Bestia ($15)
21700 Brass Vindicator V1 ($20)
21700 SS Vindicator - later Constant Contact V2/3? ($20)
21700 Brass Vassling Overlord ($20)

and brass clones in the $30 ballpark )

Purge Truck (20700 but will house a Samsung 30T 21700)
Purge Viper 21700
Purge B2B 21700
Purge B2B 21700 Knurled
Purge B2B 21700 scroll engraved
Rockvape Titan 21700
Comp Lyfe HK LA Edition 21700

and for about $35

Purge Slam Piece 21700

admittedly I don't mind weight in a mech but they are for home use only, but the 21700 Bestia is light, reliable and cheap with none of the voltage drop problems of the SMPL switch. I don't really see any point in a 21700 SMPL as there are so many good 21700 clones currently available


Thanks CC, a very good list, good job.
May I ask you, which mod has no side fire and is below 140g ?

And sorry about my heavy attack, this circlip story was too much for me.