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#51 (permalink)      2/10/2022 3:27:28 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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21700 Brass Bestia ($15)
21700 Brass Vindicator V1 ($20)
21700 SS Vindicator - later Constant Contact V2/3? ($20)
21700 Brass Vassling Overlord ($20)

and brass clones in the $30 ballpark )

Purge Truck (20700 but will house a Samsung 30T 21700)
Purge Viper 21700
Purge B2B 21700
Purge B2B 21700 Knurled
Purge B2B 21700 scroll engraved
Rockvape Titan 21700
Comp Lyfe HK LA Edition 21700

and for about $35

Purge Slam Piece 21700

admittedly I don't mind weight in a mech but they are for home use only, but the 21700 Bestia is light, reliable and cheap with none of the voltage drop problems of the SMPL switch. I don't really see any point in a 21700 SMPL as there are so many good 21700 clones currently available


Thanks CC, a very good list, good job.
May I ask you, which mod has no side fire and is below 140g ?

And sorry about my heavy attack, this circlip story was too much for me.

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Thanks CC, a very good list, good job.
May I ask you, which mod has no side fire and is below 140g ?



Maybe to do your own research? You'll find all those details on the sites.
Maybe you should stop exhausting the guys here who were trying to help you out of... uhh that felt kind of muddy =))

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Troepfler wrote:

Crispycritters wrote:

21700 Brass Bestia ($15)
21700 Brass Vindicator V1 ($20)
21700 SS Vindicator - later Constant Contact V2/3? ($20)
21700 Brass Vassling Overlord ($20)

and brass clones in the $30 ballpark )

Purge Truck (20700 but will house a Samsung 30T 21700)
Purge Viper 21700
Purge B2B 21700
Purge B2B 21700 Knurled
Purge B2B 21700 scroll engraved
Rockvape Titan 21700
Comp Lyfe HK LA Edition 21700

and for about $35

Purge Slam Piece 21700

admittedly I don't mind weight in a mech but they are for home use only, but the 21700 Bestia is light, reliable and cheap with none of the voltage drop problems of the SMPL switch. I don't really see any point in a 21700 SMPL as there are so many good 21700 clones currently available
Thanks CC, a very good list, good job.
May I ask you, which mod has no side fire and is below 140g ?

And sorry about my heavy attack, this circlip story was too much for me.



The Overlord should be the closest - it may be a couple of grams over or under, my kitchen scales measure 140 but are not that accurate.

All of the mods I've mentioned in the $30 and over price bracket are much heavier - not good to carry, but perfect home use mods as they all perform very well.

140 grams is a very specific weight limit, unfortunately it means you will miss out on some very good 21700 mods but I'm sure you have your own reasons so I won't bother recommending any.

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Thanks a lot CC, I will check the Overlord.
You really know each mod, very good job, thanks.
You see, I compare mods against the virtual 21700 SMPL.
I am not a specialist in 21700 tube mech mods,
but 84 x 25 mm and 105g seems to be better than all other tube mech mods.
OK, perhaps other mods will hit harder,
but I see the price to power and size relation.
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Thanks a lot CC, I will check the Overlord.
You really know each mod, very good job, thanks.
You see, I compare mods against the virtual 21700 SMPL.
I am not a specialist in 21700 tube mech mods,
but 84 x 25 mm and 105g seems to be better than all other tube mech mods.
OK, perhaps other mods will hit harder,
but I see the price to power and size relation.



I find the Overlord to be good for the price/performance relation.

As you realise I don't worry about size and weight of mech tubes as I only use them at home so I don't own many of the smaller lightweight 21700 tubes.

There is an El Thunder V4 Mech that is compact and light at about 135 grams - (it is also available for $15) but I would advise you not to buy because it doesn't have good performance. It is sad because the size and weight are perfect, unfortunately with the one I own I have to change batteries early because of high voltage drop - so the only advice I can give is NOT to buy the V4 El Thunder if you are considering it..

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Yes C4 and CC, you were very close to explain the situation, thanks.

Me and others are "off topic" with this Vindicator, but why not.
I tried to make a good photo, but the quality was too bad,
but there are better photos on Google Pictures.
But I think I found out my fault.
The main button of this "constant contact switch" has throw of about only 0.9 mm.
And the copper pin in the inside switch has a throw of 4.5 mm, less with the battery inside.
That means, the inside copper pin which is sliding with a second spring in a plastic sleeve,will perhaps never reach battery minus,
it just to seems, the "constact voltage switch", just holds the battery up to have no rattle.
Perhaps I was very confused, by the name "constant contact switch".
But i would like to compare it, against a in my view a perfect very very compact and light 21700 SMPL.
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Yes C4 and CC, you were very close to explain the situation, thanks.

Me and others are "off topic" with this Vindicator, but why not.
I tried to make a good photo, but the quality was too bad,
but there are better photos on Google Pictures.
But I think I found out my fault.
The main button of this "constant contact switch" has throw of about only 0.9 mm.
And the copper pin in the inside switch has a throw of 4.5 mm, less with the battery inside.
That means, the inside copper pin which is sliding with a second spring in a plastic sleeve,will perhaps never reach battery minus,
it just to seems, the "constact voltage switch", just holds the battery up to have no rattle.
Perhaps I was very confused, by the name "constant contact switch".
But i would like to compare it, against a in my view a perfect very very compact and light 21700 SMPL.



The contact in a constant contact switch is always touching the battery terminal. When you push the button, the sprung contact slides into the switch and the bottom surface of the contact touches the top of the switch which closes the electrical circuit and the mod should fire.

The advantage is there should be no arcing on the battery or the top of the connector as it is in 'constant contact' with the battery. However there could still be arcing between the bottom of the sprung contact and the area of the firing button when they meet - but this is very easy to clean if needed,.

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IM LATE TO ALL OF THIS / Vindicator clone constant contact switch , removal of copper mushroom contact from plastic receiver / tools required 1x medium pointy nose pliers .1 x left handed medium screw driver .jaw vice not required , think in terms of gemmy bar under the mushroom cap not on it /ok so i found the plastic cup which i did not remove had a wider " ID " half way down the cup creating a ledge , the cup was one piece including the bottom base / the mushroom cap and shaft had a slight collar half way down the shaft this was all one piece / the spring looked like it came out of a clicker pen .. the fix for me was simply cutting some plastic discs from a plastic drink bottle and placing them inside the plastic cup approximately 1.5 mm thick overall , then used the original spring / clean your contact surfaces then reassemble/ bit long winded all of this ,but it might help somebody // cheers
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Thanks a lot bangaroo,
our philipine? or indonesia? friends know what to do.
Very good job man:
"the fix for me was simply cutting some plastic discs from a plastic drink bottle and placing them inside the plastic cup"
But BG, I tried that with very heavy tools, no chance.

But I think, BG and CC, this "constant contact" switch is a joke of the manufactures.
I am very very sorry, but I see no advantage with this "constant contact" switch.
Why not a simple SMPL switch ?

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A constant contact switch will not PERFORM any better than a regular switch, in fact I have found regular switches can be slightly better.

Their advantage is it removes arcing from the BATTERY. However there will still be arcing inside the switch - it just won't be on the battery or mating face of the contact. IT will be on the BOTTOM edge of the contact where it meets the main part of the firing button - these are the areas you should maintain.

Removing arcing from the battery is a potential improvement in safety for those that vape low ohms/high Amps where frequent removal of pitting from arcing from the battery and contact is necessary. It will not give any performance improvement, but it does make maintenancde easier - removing arc marks from soft copper is much easier than removing it from the steel contacts of a battery.

However, if you are a higher resistance lower amp vaper then arcing should not be a problem (as long as the mod is maintained properly and kept clean) so a constant contact switch will have no real advantage.

Personally my favourite switches are the simple traditional type like the one on this Complyfe clone SKU 9663590. It is the same type as the SMPL switch, but as it is larger it has the benefit of more threading so doesn't have the voltage drop problems between the switch threads and tube that is the main con of the short low profile SMPL switch.

To give a SMPL mod better performance you would have to make the switch longer to increase the threading, unfortunately if you do this you add weight and length to the mod and it stops being a SMPL mod and becomes the same as many others already available..