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#11 (permalink)      3/30/2022 7:28:48 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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philipvdb wrote:

So i redid the test with a better rda. The one i used before had hollow posts which maybe gave some bad results. Today i took the in'sane which is a lot easier and gives more accurate results. Measured using the coilmaster v2 with kanthal 28 awg without burning.I'm doing this just because most of the times we take things for granted without testing. Here are the results The coil of the 5 wrap 1.21 and 6 wrap 1.45 were at the same position, just above the air hole meaning that the excess wire after the screws was less for the 1.45 coil or the length of the wire between the post was longer with 6 wraps. Hope this is clear.



Thanks Phil. This clearly show what happens when a coil is fitted. It is interesting to see the results of clamping the same length of wire by the ends of the legs, adding a differing number or wraps and getting the same measurement, but it has no relevance to actually vaping as it is unlikely anyone would really fit a coil in that manner or be able to vape it as it probably wouldn't fit in the atty.

In the case of actuaslly vaping I imagine everyone would actually fit the coil properly and trim the legs so the results in the right hand column reflect the real life affects of adding wraps. Which I'm sure everybody already knows.

Hopefully this idiot argument is over.

If you want to keep it up Carrion - provide a link to THE THREAD - not to a SELECTIVE POST YOU ARE SHOWING OUT OF CONTEXT and anybody that cares can read how it started (and how stupid it became)

#12 (permalink)      3/30/2022 7:47:41 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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carrion4worm wrote:

You guys test away, but remember: the second you loosen the grub screws, the experiment is ruined. Be sure to use a long enough wire where you can make as many wraps as you desire, without loosening the grub screws. You can't put the wire back in " almost" the same place and expect the resistance to not change.Also, while grub screws effectively change the length of the wire, as I mentioned in the original thread " electricity follows the path of least resistance"....while grub screws/ clamps mostly stop the current, some methods of coil fastening do a better job than others.Any questions? Ask. While it may cause some here pain, I have the experience and know how, and have never steered anyone here wrong.If you have forgotten, the proper experiment is documented perfectly in the original thread, which I forget, but it is a pre made Vandy vape coils thread...Shouldn't be hard to find...EDIt: and yes, starting the experiment with a brand new, unheated wire will skew results in most occasions...a preheated, used wire is best for testing, as anyone who's even coiled a few times will recognize the resistance "settling in" as it is glowed a bit, so don't start with new wire! Once you guys have your process in order, you will repeatedly obtain the same results - which is the beauty of science! that's why it's a "Law", not a "suggestion" or "hypothesis". I've been right (like so many other users here also from that thread) all along -- you just need to catch up! Finally, You're on the right track.



All you have written is moot.

The entire argument was you claimed it is impossible to add a wrap to a coil using the excess leg length to raisde the resistance when fitted. Philip did it (with pics) on the vape porn thread, and repeated it here.

If you now claim this was not your statement and wish to PROVE it categorically just provide a link to the thread and anyone interested can read it (they won't have to read far). If you ,don't want to do that - even though you have taken the time to look up the thread and pick a selective post - please explain why.

It would still be a good idea for you to apologise to DJVillan.

#13 (permalink)      3/30/2022 9:18:49 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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airwinny wrote:

philipvdb wrote:
I'm doing this just because most of the times we take things for granted without testing.
So, if I understand your test correctly, if you trim off the excess leads, the resistance basically stays the same, no matter the number of wraps? In my head that makes perfect sense.

The other half of your drawing, the one with excess leads, makes no sense at all to my limited logic. With excess leads, the resistance increases with the number of wraps? That's such a fun discovery :)
I'll probably never fully understand electricity, but I'd love to read an explanation for that. Very interesting.


Left side shows that only the length between the posts plays a role for resistance. Number of wraps doesnt play a role as long as the length of the wire stays the same.
Right: the coil was placed at the same spot so the lentgh between the posts changed with the number of wraps. More wraps, more wire between the posts since the coil was positioned at the same spot gives higher resistance. Leaving or cutting excess wire after the screws doesnt change the resistance.
So the right read-outs actually confirms the left part which is: only length of wire between posts determines the resistance, number of wraps between the posts or excess wire after posts dont have any influence on the resistance.

We can't agree on everything.
#14 (permalink)      3/30/2022 9:36:16 AM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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philipvdb wrote:

only length of wire between posts determines the resistance, number of wraps between the posts or excess wire after posts dont have any influence on the resistance.


Ah, all clear, then I misunderstood, thanks :)
Then it is as expected, basically. Still a fun experiment.

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Am I missing something here? For the way C4W is explaining it now, he is right, but for a thing that would never ever matter in vaping, and phil has proven Crispy right for the only part of this that could ever matter in vaping? Is that about right? Good grief this is pointless thanks for taking us down this rabbit hole never being the bigger person in an argument.
#16 (permalink)      3/30/2022 1:19:59 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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No, you're not. I dont get it either but i never really went to the bottom of their dispute. I just liked doing that test. For the rest, I'm just sitting on the fence waiting to see who will throw the next punch.
We can't agree on everything.
#17 (permalink)      3/30/2022 1:37:16 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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EternalSpline wrote:

Am I missing something here? For the way C4W is explaining it now, he is right, but for a thing that would never ever matter in vaping, and phil has proven Crispy right for the only part of this that could ever matter in vaping? Is that about right? Good grief this is pointless thanks for taking us down this rabbit hole never being the bigger person in an argument.



The only thing you're missing here is Carrion is trying to rewrite history. DJVillan (I believe) made a comment about adding a wrap to a coil on a Vandy Vape? Coil thread, Carrion contradicted him. I replied I do it routinely as most tubs of coils have long enough leg lengths to add an extra wrap and the end result would be a higher resistance coil when fitted. He continued to hoot and jeer, claim this is impossible as you would have to stretch the coil to destruction and that the quoted resistance on a pack of coils cannnot be raised as this is assessed by the entire length of wire used to make the coils and not an estimate of what the coils will be when fitted.

Although this silly argument died a death, any time I question any of his statements he tends to explode and insist I am really sulking about where he "schooled" me about resistance and ohms law.

Rather than let the Yihi SL Mini thread degenerate into a squabble like the old coil thread we turned to crap by arguing in the summer of last year I offered to relocate it to his Vape Porn thread as I assumed he would curb his temper to avoid a thread he is heavily invested in from turning into a multi-post fight.

Of course - he started a new thread to continue arguing here (and to avoid trashing his Vape Porn thread) As he has attempted to remain civil I've entertained him.

However, although he is willing to continue the argument - he is unwilling to link to the thread itself.as it will clearly display he is being retrospectively disingenuous and trying to cover a simple mistake he made.

Do I really care about this old argument - not really.

But I do like watching him twist and turn and try to change the past in order to save face.

If he actually does bother linking the thread (which I seriously doubt as I don't think his ego will allow it) then you can entertain yourself by counting how many times he retrospectively edited his posts - frequently several days later, unfortunately many survive in their original form. I believe if he replies at all he will totally ignore my suggestion to link the thread. Narcissists can be fun.

#18 (permalink)      3/30/2022 1:58:20 PM US Central   quote/reply + tips
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Narcissists can be fun.






Edited on 3/30/2022 at 1:59 PM. Reason:
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C4W changes his posts and his criteria, to the point it is hard to care about looking for a now surely changed original argument. I have read along for awhile occasionally, not followed it to the letter, as I find it hard to care at all. It is hands down the most hair splitting waste of time I have seen in a long time.

Here is what I have seen: C4W has continually come back and rammed his argument along with Crispy, no matter what the original conversation is that is currently happening. There is seemingly no escaping it and C4W's endless BS about it. He attempts to taunt him, Crispy responds just like he has here, very logically and with decency. C4W accuses him of all sorts of tantrums and Crispy sits back and reiterates his side of it.

That was happening in a post Crispy was having a conversation in, and C4W ruined it, so Crispy had enough of his crap and took it to the vape porn thread.

Personally I don't really think right or wrong matter because this is so trivial and stupid, but I think Crispy wins the argument because he is right about the only way any of this could matter. Even if C4W's original phrasing was this or that in the first original argument, that way is not how anyone ever wraps a coil, and is pretty useless for anything to do with vaping. It leans more to maybe doing electrical work.

Unfortunately I don't think right or wrong matter any more, and C4W is just going to keep on with this BS. If not now, in a week or a month, or whenever he decides he wants to rehash it AGAIN. Pretty pathetic, you can really see why his life sucks. I mean he has allot of vape gear at least I guess for people that care about that being a measure of anything quality or not in your life. Yes mostly clones, but still if people care enough about that, then he has value.
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I lived a mile from my work a mile away uphill.

I moved a mile above my job this week.

Slats week getting there was a bitch but going home was easy.

My new location makes my evening commute ( ride my mule to work) too hard.

I am thinking of shoving a staple Clapton coil up the ass's ass to speed it up.

I I add an extra wrap how much faster will I get home.

Btw, I live in Ohm county North south Carolina so I know all about the law here in Ohm.
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So Carrion creates a thread to further his narcissistic attempt to control Crispy.....

Giphy left/got banned and Carrion takes his place.